Sunday, May 5, 2013

Why can't we just respect people's beliefs?

Ok, so, Onision (who tends to be more ignorant than not on the subjects he has an opinion on, read about him here) and his wife recently made various posts on facebook, (or rather, Onision did, but then his wife made a couple posts or so confirming she sees things the same way he does) shitting on christianity and those of which believe in God. He makes videos or parodies saying his opinion on things like diets (vegetarian/omnivores/vegan), cutting/suicide/depression, weight, religion, sexual abuse, rape (even going so far to explain in explicit detail how it feels to be raped and what it's like to be raped despite the fact that he's never been raped. well, as far as I know, and even then, he should only speak for himself because not everyone may feel the same way after being raped, and may not be raped the same way)

This time, it was religion. He tends to revisit everything every so often. Now, he's agnostic, and, like most things, how he views the world is, in his mind, how everyone else should view the world. The way he acts most of the time is a very 'My way is the right way and if you're not like me, or not like how I think you should be, or you don't agree with me whole heartedly, you're wrong' kinda guy, y'know?

I'm not a Christian. I see God as being a very controversial subject and I just don't believe in him, and as such, I am an atheist. However, I do not shit on people's religion, aside from joking around about it in private with just my friends whom I know will not get offended, unless they're a 'bad' christian or a bad any religion. Meaning, if they act like a fucking dick, much like the WBC acts, in the name of god, or they display  such incredibly ignorance and are just in general, assholes all in the name of God or their religion, then fine, I don't respect them and I'm not going to sit back and just let them act like they are, but not every Christian is like that, not everybody in any religion is like that and as such, you really shouldn't shit on an entire religion as a whole.
There's various reasons a person may believe in a God or a higher power; some believe in him because he brings them comfort and helps them get through stuff, figuratively. They bring peace and joy to people and I think that's a good thing. Everyone needs someone to help them achieve comfort, even if it's something you deem unconventional or illogical. It is their source of comfort and quite frankly, you don't need to fucking approve of it.

Here's what Greg wrote on his facebook:
"If mocking your god means simultaneously mocking someone who murdered/drowned nearly all his children "as punishment", your religion sucks.
"Stop mocking religion!" I'm leaving Buddhism, Paganism & the other religions alone, Christianity is an incredibly popular religion, but that doesn't make it the only one, nor does that make it right.
I would hope every decent human being would have the moral fortitude to call someone out for killing not one, not two, but countless human beings, to include children. They were all sinners? How could a baby sin? How many pregnant women died in that flood?

God is undeniably a murderer, someone who committed mass genocide. It's all in the Bible if you look it up.

You can't argue that he didn't drown them, as doing so would be questioning the teachings of your religion, so all you can do is say I'm "mean" or "rude"... but who's really wrong here? The person calling out a murderer? Or the people defending him?

God is undeniably a murderer, someone who committed mass genocide. It's all in the Bible if you look it up.
You can't argue that he didn't drown them, as doing so would be questioning the teachings of your religion, so all you can do is say I'm "mean" or "rude"... but who's really wrong here? The person calling out a murderer? Or the people defending him?"
I call out someone for committing genocide on countless people, as documented in his own book, and I am repeatedly insulted for doing so. Why? Because the man who murdered all those people is "sacred" & holy, so I guess most think it's ok for him to mass murder? To me, condoning mass slaughter by supporting the Bible in it's entirety is cruel.
If someone kills the majority of the people on planet Earth, any reasonable person would no longer consider them loving or perfect, but rather a negative entity, someone certainly worse than the devil himself considering the devil has never murdered nearly the entire planet.

You call out the Christians for Leviticus demanding the death of homosexuals and in response you get, "Respect other people's religions!!! Even though their religion doesn't respect how people are born, and promotes oppression, you're just a shameful religion basher!", you call out God for murdering nearly all his children "How dare you question our religion, everything you said is accurate, but we won't argue with that! We'll just act like you're a bad person for pointing out the obvious"! So are you saying it's ok to demand homosexual die? Are you saying it's ok to murder nearly all the people on the planet?

I would hope, as reasonable people, we would look at the actions allegedly taken in a book and judge that book for what it is, rather than cherry pick what we like & ignore the rest.

You call out the Christians for Leviticus demanding the death of homosexuals and in response you get, "Respect other people's religions!!! Even though their religion doesn't respect how people are born, and promotes oppression, you're just a shameful religion basher!", you call out God for murdering nearly all his children "How dare you question our religion, everything you said is accurate, but we won't argue with that! We'll just act like you're a bad person for pointing out the obvious"! So are you saying it's ok to demand homosexual die? Are you saying it's ok to murder nearly all the people on the planet?
I would hope, as reasonable people, we would look at the actions allegedly taken in a book and judge that book for what it is, rather than cherry pick what we like & ignore the rest.
Attacking me for calling God out for his decisions revolving around Noah's Ark likely means one of two things (1) You don't actually believe God murdered nearly all the human population, which makes you not 100% faithful to the Bible (2) You do believe God murdered nearly all of the human population, which means you support someone who has consciously killed more people than anyone in human history... in that case I would say, "In what bizarre world is killing nearly all the humans on Earth, an acceptable option?" 
His wife, Lainey, who, much like her diet, probably changed her religious opinions to match his, posted this on Tumblr:
"Fuck your faith. No one’s gonna save you."
Which is just disrespectful in general. Honestly, that's just incredibly rude, especially for people in a dark place who's belief and faith in God or a higher power is really helping them get through that. Who the hell are you to judge someone or put down what they believe in? Slowly but surely she's becoming just as bad as those of which put her down. Tsk tsk.

Now, the way I see the whole Noahs ark thing is the world was flooding because it was raining and whatnot, and that's a natural occurence, ok? It's not Gods doing or even his will. And if I'm wrong about that, please prove me wrong with sources and whatnot that I can edit this with. He needed a way to save his people (obviously not everyone would survive, but not everyone would die either) and recruited Noah to save 2 of each animal in order for them to repopulate and whatnot. Now, like you said, the bible is a book, and that's that. It's true that people 'cherrypick' what they'd like out of it, and ignore the rest but honestly, for the most part, that book is just, IMO, fiction. As far as I know, there's no proof that the majority of what happened in that book actually happened so I really don't think God ever committed a mass genocide so I really don't see why you feel the need to complain about something that might have never even happened, all so you could call those of which believe in God illogical and say they're wrong/stupid for what they believe in.
You can believe in and love God without agreeing with everything he may or may not have done, you don't have to agree with every little thing the bible says in order to follow the religion or love god, ok?

Here's what someone said about his complaints on tumblr:
"About that religious comment about "genocide" and god. I'm not religious in the slightest, but I do know that he's taking that entire thing out of context. First of all, it was originally in Greek mythology, where both are (from what I understand, mind you, I am not religious) about cleansing the world/start over, also...I'm pretty sure God wasn't the one who directly caused it (Again, feel free to correct me). The way he manipulated the context was incredibly degrading."
Now, reading the comments on these statuses, I see people comparing God to Hitler in this instance and I thought that was interesting. Yeah if God ever actually did that, it is pretty horrible, as is what Hitler did, but the thing is, they both were doing what they thought to be the best thing for their people. They didn't do it for admiration or for respect, and what they did, or what Hitler definitely did at least, is unforgivable. It's something that can never be erased and it was just an absolutely awful occurrence but he didn't do it just do it, and I know, that doesn't change anything, but What god may have done, and what Hitler did, were not things done just for them to feel powerful, or for them to be bad people.

Seriously, stop judging people for what they believe in, or shitting on their beliefs, the only time that should be acceptable is when someone is using what they believe in to hurt or insult, or control, or demean or kill a person. If they'e being a horrible person in the name of God, or whatever their religion may be, then, IMO, that's the time it's acceptable to try putting them in their place and pull their head out of their ass is what I'm getting at here.

1 comment:

  1. "Fuck your faith. No one’s gonna save you." .....wow, the nerve of this person.

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